Conversion of a Credobaptist

by Joel V Webb | Dec 8, 2024 | Orthodoxy Matters

This might ruffle some feathers.

Like most (if not all) Western Evangelicals I was baptized when I was a bit older (for me at 16). While I made a profession of faith at 4 or 5 years old, general practice was not until someone was a bit older to make the public declaration. As a baby I had been dedicated with my twin brother at just a couple years old. My parents publicly stating that they would raise my brother and I in the ways of the Lord. At some points I would hear of “babies being baptized”, but it was always with suspicion, mostly talking about Roman Catholics. Baptism is really just a sign, a public confession when you want to let other people know that you are following Jesus, and is only for those who can make that conscience decision to follow Him.

And up until about 6 months ago I have held to that position as well.

I want to take you though a truncated journey of my conversion from a credo-baptist (a.k.a believers baptism) to a paedo-baptist (infant baptism). This is a journey that I never thought I would go on, but as I have delved into Scripture, taking into account as well the history and practice of the Church it became increasingly evident there was more to the story than I was told. As someone in the Wesleyan tradition I am going to use the Wesleyan Quadrilateral to help frame my journey and discovery. Before I get into the weed I want to express a few qualifiers.

I am in the Free Methodist Church, a denomination that allows for both infant baptism, and infant dedication. As someone who will be ordained in the near future, I am agreeable to perform both infant baptism and dedication. This is not something I am not dogmatic on, and am willing to do both.

Secondly, I have no ill-will to my credo-baptist brothers and sisters. I do not believe that mode of baptism is a tier-one issue. While I believe (as I will explain) infant baptism is a more grounded practice, it does not invalidate other forms of baptism. Actually, for someone who has never been a follower of Christ needs to be baptized (as is shown in Scripture). But for those who have kids in the Church I feel infant baptism is the best course of action.

Next, part of the discussion hinges on our definition and discussion of sacraments. While my Roman Catholic brothers & sisters believe there are 7, I as a Protestant practice the two of baptism and the Eucharist (the Lord’s Supper). There are some in more Anabaptist circles who refrain from terminology such as sacrament, and prefer to use “ordinance” Over the last several years I have become more aware of the huge importance that sacraments plats in the life of the Church. They are more than just ways we remember things. Sacraments, as John Wesley spoke of them are a means of grace, by which God
through the enables and strengthens the Christian in holiness. We so often focus on what WE do when we practice the sacraments, rather than focusing on what GOD does in and through them. While yes baptism is a public declaration of our allegiance to Christ, Scripture also is very clear as to God’s work through the at of baptism (Colossians 2:6-13). I am working on a blog post about sacraments, and the Eucharist specifically, so wait for that.

Finally, this post is not wholly exhaustive. Between references to Scripture and tradition there is more than I could cover here and would love to individually connect with anyone who has questions.

Scripture: Likely one of the strongest cases from Scripture for infant baptism is how baptism is the new circumcision. In the Old Testament the sign of being apart of God’s people was the sign of circumcision. Every male was to be circumcised, so people would know they were apart of the family of Abraham. This of course after the initial act by Abraham was performed on all male infants. Physical circumcision then continued to be the sign for God’s people up until the coming of Christ.

In the book of Acts we have numerous stories of baptisms taking place. It of course tracks that adults who became followers of Christ would be baptized, as the initiatory sacrament into the Church. And during a number of these instances there is reference to that person and their entire household being baptized. Religion being a familial thing, it would make sense that all in a family would be baptized into the community of Christ as a sign of new life in Him.

Here is a helpful list of comparisons of baptism and circumcision from Phillip Kayser that is very comprehensive, and I appreciate not having to compile the entirety of the Scriptural references.

Tradition: Simply put, up until the Protestant Reformation in the 1500’s, infant baptism was the universal practice of the Church. When we look to the early Church Fathers it is nearly unanimous that infant baptism was the practice since the early Church (as early as 100AD). Justin Martyr, Origen, Lactantius, Cyril of Jerusalem, Gergory Nazianzen, Augustine, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Hippolytus, Cyprian and many many more Church fathers attest to infant baptism being the mode of the Church
for the children of believing parents. Of course this did not exclude new converts to the faith, who would be baptized into Christ (be they Jew or Gentile).

It was only until the radical reformers who questioned this practiced. But aside from these, all the main reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Arminius, Cranmer) upheld the legitimacy of the practice of the standard.

Reason: Some may ask, “wasn’t Jesus dedicated, and so because of that children should be as well.” This is true, Jesus was dedicated as an infant. But heres the thing, the New Covenant had not been initiated yet. There was no death of Christ to be baptized into. It cannot be denied that Jesus would have been circumcised coming from a Jewish family. In the Jewish mindset, baptism was an act of purification, bit did not represent the distinction that circumcision does until after the death and resurrection of Christ.

Now that we are in the New Covenant, is it not also reasonable that we want to signify that our children are in fact apart of God’s people? We don’t believe that our kids are little pagans running around until they make a decision to follow Jesus. Yes, infants who are baptized should when they are ready to, either affirm their baptism, or be confirmed as a sign of living their life in line with their baptism.

Another aspect we should also consider is the very individualistic culture that we are in living in the 21^st Century West. Throughout Scripture, we see a familial/communal aspect to ones faith. So much of our focus in how we talk about our faith in Christ is what we do, rather than the focus on what Christ does for us.

Experience: Be it the baptism of an infant or an adult, we know that being baptized does not ensure that person will remain in Christ. This is often a common objection to infant baptism, “that baby can’t make a decision, there’s no guarantee they will follow Him.” This is true, just as there is not guarantee that anyone will apostatize the faith.

Back to a consideration of the individualization of culture and faith. One thing that we forget about Sacraments is that is is more than just recognizing our part, but they are also a declaration of what God has done, and His work in our lives to save us. What’s more powerful than a declaration of the Gospel, and the work of Christ when someone is baptized? In baptism we recognize God’s saving work, and through that work we state that our children are now apart of God’s people, to be raised in His ways. While similar to dedication as some would say, I would argue the impact is much more profound.

Final Thoughts: As I said, this post is not exhaustive. But it is a sort of primer as to why I no longer consider myself a credo-baptist. But what I’ve presented here represents some of the core reasoning that I now am a proponent of infant-baptism. This transformation has been just one aspect of my theological journey to one that has been more connected to the historical Church that is faithful to Scripture. I still identify myself as an Evangelical (in the religious, not political meaning), but have also been increasingly identifying some of the pitfalls and shortcomings that Evangelicalism has accrued through being suspicious of the past.

For other in-depth discussion on infant-baptism you can check out these resources:

https://reformedperspectives.org/files/reformedperspectives/theology/TH.Johnson.Baptism.html

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/a-brief-defense-of-infant-baptism/

https://leanpub.com/infant-baptism/read

https://knowingscripture.com/articles/why-we-should-baptize-babies-the-case-for-covenantal-infant-baptism

Book Review: Rebirth of Orthodoxy

by Joel V Webb | Dec 6, 2024 | Orthodoxy Matters

What is orthodoxy, and why does it matter?

These are questions that many years ago Thomas Oden, who is now recognized during his lifetime as the preeminent Methodist theologian, and the father of a branch of theology called paleo-orthodoxy. 

We live in what is now called the post-modern era, where many of the assumptions of what has built our current world are being called into question. And many of these questions also etch away at the foundational truths that construct the core of Christian belief. Calling it “modern chauvinism”, where the assumed inference is that the understanding of the past is inherently inferior. This has developed from a combination of the rise of secularism, materialism & critical theory. 

If this modern chauvinism is the presumed way of operating, then what do we actually do with the long held beliefs of the Christian Church? Are they something to be believed, or are they the relics of an outdated past that has no connection with the here and now, and must be updated to fit with our modern sensibilities.

Oden himself went on his own journey from an idealistic liberal theologian, to someone who concretely was pursuing the classical Christian consensus of orthodoxy through the history the the Church. Finding his start by looking at the early church fathers (a.k.a patristics) as the progenitors of all faithful followers of Christ. 

Orthodoxy is simply defined by Oden as, “the integrated biblical teaching as interpreted in its most consensual classic period”. From this, if we go back to the patristic teachers, we can begin tracing the core of Christian understanding from the Apostles to our day with consistency. Some of these key teachers are Athanasius, Ambrose, Basil, Cyril & Crystotham.

Another amazing facet of his look on what is Christian orthodoxy is his placement of tradition as important to this. “tradition is itself a memory of scripture interpretation consensually received.” Meaning we cannot expunge tradition as many do in more fundamentalist understandings, as it helps hold the Christian consensus together. 

But ultimately Oden’s greatest area of concern and criticism is for the critical, liberal & Marxist understandings of Christian theology and history (which he himself had been saved from). 

“The Marxist explanation of orthodoxy was simple” economic interests prevailed. Ideological winners imposed their views on ideological losers corrosively – a matter of power.” This narrow understanding of history (as Marx himself would enjoy) rejects any notion of divine inspiration, that a Holy God could through His people keep and preserve His revelation to mankind. This of course being a core tenant of Christian understanding.

In fact, while many of these modern understandings seem so very broad, Oden states that they are actually very restrictive and small. Their “all encompassing acceptance” is really very small and narrow in comparison to Christian orthodoxy. One area that this shines bright is in orthodoxies understanding of diversity. “Because modern diversity has no time to listen to other generations, it risks a massive loss of wisdom.” This also is seen in the actions that flow from this kind of understanding. “Nothing is more pathetic than a self-centered doctrinal or moral advocate who claims to be centered on God’s Word and yet fails to listen to the vast resources of orthodoxy. 

This book, while written some years ago is more pertinent for our time than ever. I fear the dangers that Oden warns of are continuing to chip away at churches and seminaries,, thus causing a new generation of pastors and theologians to be driven more by idealistic modern chauvinism, than the tried and truth orthodoxy of the classic Christian consensus.

It is in the rebirth of orthodoxy in each one of us that will lead to a solid and real ecumenicism that will bring the Church together over what is essential, to spread the Gospel.

Justice vs Justification?

by Joel V Webb | Dec 4, 2024 | Orthodoxy Matters

Excess leads to error. 

An over extension of how God’s sovereignty works leads to a once saved always saved mentality. An over extension of how human free will works leads to an eternal insecurity mentality. 

One thing that I have been noticing is his over extension in the Church particularly on the issue of justice and justification. Often a group will be solely focused on “justice”, and seek to work for the poor, needy & oppressed. On the other hand another group will be focused so much on “justification” and only ever evangelize, never caring for people in this life.

In the movement of liberation theology that arose from primarily Roman Catholic scholars in Central & South America that has a focus on liberating people socially & politically to bring on human flourishing has some interesting perspectives. One of the more fascinating ideas was that even atheists who do good for the poor should be canonized in the Church as a saint. That is excess. With an overbearing focus on earthly justice and flourishing that completely forgets the work of Christ, and the message of the Gospel. Thus reducing it to good ideas that only answer problems here and now.

On the other hand there are places like in the tradition I grew up in that had a narrow focus on “justification”, where much of the here and now really are on the periphery. There really isn’t a need to do much of what Scripture talks about for the widow, orphan & oppressed because everything is about becoming so much like Jesus that you will be apart of a special rapture before or during the great tribulation, then you can reign and rule with Christ in the millennium and through eternity (a simple reduction of the general worldview).

The reality is that the Gospel holds both of these in an active tension where followers of Christ are to do both. Sadly, it seems that these tow characteristics have been picked up by partisan sides, which exasperates the issue further. Yet Christ calls all of His followers as part of His Kingdom to care about both justice and justification.

 I highly encourage you to check out this sermon by the late Timothy Keller HERE where he tackles this topic. If the Church is to be the salt and the light in the world we are called to be, we must hold both justice and justification in correct balance. 

Justice does not matter if it is grounded and flows out of the working of the Gospel.

Justification is not demonstrated if justice is not the fruit in the lives of those justified.

Excess either way leads to error.

Book Review: The Thrill of Orthodoxy

by Joel V Webb | Nov 27, 2024 | Orthodoxy Matters

We live in a very
pluralistic society. So much of the discourse is focused on “your
truth, and my truth”, without ever asking the question, is there
such thing as the truth? The question this begs as well is what is
the response of the Christian faith? We practice an ancient faith
that stretches back to early human history, telling the story of the
almighty creator God who has been revealing Himself to humanity, to
show the way as bring creation back to how it was intended.

In the 21^st
century the Church faces the issue that it has since it’s
inauguration at Pentecost. From time to time the vision and holistic
picture of who God is gets muddied up and lost. Combined with ideas
that help calm the human mind to reconcile God Himself with their own
desires. Instead of being transformed by the Gospel, they seek to
transform the Gospel to look like them.

This is the question
that Trevin Wax seeks to answer in his book The Thrill of
Orthodoxy. Trevin defines
orthodoxy as what can be called “classic Christianity”, or the
consensus that has been formed on the faith since the apostles that
is found throughout the Church till today. Orthodoxy is composed of
the essential truths that define what being a Christian is. We define
orthodoxy through what we call creeds (the 3 primary ones being the
Apostles, Nicene & Athanasian creeds). They provide concise
universal statements of the defining truths of the Christian faith.
Which means that going outside of them puts you in the category of
heresy, or wrong teaching.

The
discussion on what theology actually is, is important. Theology is
the study of God. While many may write-off theology as unimportant,
what we can often miss is that theology defines who God is, and if
that is off then we face the challenge of understanding Him
incorrectly. How can we get to know someone if our perception of who
He is, is incorrect?

Trevin
then discusses the natural we have as humans to drift, “because of
out natural tendency to apathy and inattention”. After exploring
the four primary ways that people tend to drift from orthodoxy (going
through the motions, works focus, unsettled by the counter cultural
truth of the Gospel, activism over evangelism), the discussion shifts
to how orthodoxy ultimately is swimming against the flow of the
river. In order to stop the drift we must have “the thrill of
orthodoxy.” We need to find a better excitement about the truth of
God that holds us to Him, rather than being taken away.

The
main crux of Trevin’s work deals with rejecting some of the
presuppositions in some popular theology today. Many seek to provide
either a theology that is either totally interested in the here and
now, or only interested in the world to come. Orthodoxy provides a
true tension between the two. A poignant example he discusses in
regard to this is the topic of justice, and social justice. Yes,
Scripture calls us to be just, personally and sin a societal way. But
something happens when we miss the premise of orthodoxy in this
pursuit.

“When
you lose that larger perspective, and when you stress only those
aspects of life that are “this world” and downplay the reality of
future judgment you lose the hope of eternal justice, which means
that earthly justice is all that’s left. Unless you achieve total
justice here and now, you’ll never see it, which makes every
pursuit of justice in this world a life-or-death struggle.”

Orthodoxy
expands out vision above the here and the now, giving us the ultimate
perspective that justice will be had by a loving and holy God. This
should not make us disinterested. In fact, it should activate us to
action, while not leaving behind the vision of when He makes all
things right.

A
final point of focus that struck me was his discussion towards the
end of tradition vs traditionalism, and how orthodoxy combats the
ideologies of our day to stay Gospel focused. Often times people
discount the need for orthodoxy by challenging that “you’re just
holding on to dead religion”. But this is an incorrect assumption.

“Tradition
is the living faith of the dead. Traditionalism is the dead faith of
the living”

Because
of the saints who have gone before us, we are called to live the
truth that they held to as well. But when we lose the trill and
excitement of knowing God truly, then it turns into dead faith that
does not live.

Fundamentally,
as followers of Christ we must have a definition of our faith. There
are things that must be held dogmatically. Our culture does not like
that, but that is the truth.

“The
problem with doctrine-less and ‘undogmatic’ Christianity is that
it becomes a religious veneer for blessing your life as it already
is. Christianity without dogma leaves us with a tame God.”

Truth
orthodox Christianity challenges our feelings and assumptions. It
will offend our sensibilities because our human nature does not want
to change. But that is the word of the Gospel. To take and change us
to be more like Christ. Some would charge that to progress forward we
must change and reject orthodoxy. All that does is lead us toward
heresy, which will kill us.

I
highly recommend this book to anyone and everyone. We live in
challenging times. With so many ideologies and theologies that seek
to take the historic Christian faith, and neuter it to be “kind &
nice”, rather than a sword that divides soul and spirit. Process
theology seeks to take God and adapt him to our own ideas of what is
right so that we can live how we want (and most of the time sleep
with who we want). Instead of transforming us, our culture seeks to
make Jesus into our image.

So
what does the future look like? Trevin encourages us to dig into the
historic Church. Read the early church fathers and see how their
unwavering commitment to Christ, even in the face of death answers
most of the questions we have in our day. Ill close with this final
quote as an exhortation as to what to do.

“The
future Church will not be forged by those who tire of the thrill of
orthodoxy, but by those whose roots run deep through the ages of the
Christian church and back into the pages of God’s inspired Word.

How do we all engage?

by Joel V Webb | Nov 25, 2024 | Orthodoxy Matters

 I lead the music part of worship every week at my church. Music is an important element of worshiping God, and always has been in different ways. Something my wife told me shortly after we got married was that she misses older songs, especially those found in hymnals because they helped teach people to sing, the melody and the harmony. The simpler instrumentation really brought the voices to the forefront, and there would be a robust sense of everyone singing together. At first I shrugged it off. But now, I see her point, and am wondering how do we get it back?

I love a lot of the contemporary worship that is out there. Especially the new stuff from the Getty’s, CityAlight, Phil Wickham and several others in particular. But with the general trends of Christian worship in the last 30 years, elements of the concert vibe really have been impacting how we worship together on a Sunday morning. This doesn’t mean we don’t use the latest and greatest tech when it makes sense. Our worship team uses in-ear monitors, backing tracks w/ click tracks to help fill in some sounds, and keep us all in timing.

But, how do we also work towards reengaging the entire congregation so they don’t feel like they are just attending a concert with Christian music, and then a message?

The most poignant and impactful tool that I have found for this is spoken liturgy. 

Liturgy is defined as “the work of the people”. It is something that everyone participates in as part of worship. No one is left out, because all can join in the prayers, and the call and responses of each part of the service. More than that, the liturgy that the Church has used in the Orthodox, Roman & Protestant traditions are steeped in Scripture. You can hardly go from one word to another without stumbling upon a list of Scriptures that are being referenced to. So in this case, not only is everyone participating, but people are also taking in Scripture.

In my context the usage of liturgy has taken the form of regularly reciting The Apostle’s Creed, and the Lord’s Prayer. These two pieces provide a framework and foundation of Christian understanding that all can participate in, and remind them of the truth of the Gospel every time we repeat it.

At the end of the day, the liturgy is only as dead as the person participating in it. While we have more of a neo-liturgical experience (a blend of both contemporary and traditional service elements), it helps keep us grounded in the truth and wisdom of those who have gone before, while also allowing us to tap into the fresh expressions of Christian worship music. 

Both of these takes on worship can be problematic if seen as the ends, rather than the means. The focus is always to be on Christ, and the proclamation of the Gospel message. 

So how do we get everyone involved? Find various ways that integrate the outward involvement of everyone in the Church during worship. The collective action of praying and speaking the same things is a strong builder of commonality as we worship our great God!

Berean Standard Bible – open source Bible?

by Joel V Webb | Nov 20, 2024 | Orthodoxy Matters

Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they
received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures
every day to see if these teachings were true. – Acts 17:11 (BSB)

I talked about Bible translations in a post a while ago, and highlighted how we have more translations than ever. Our age is blessed with a variety of translations that cover the spectrum of exact word-for-word (ESV,NASB,NRSV), that get the exact language of the original text. We also have more thought-for-thought translations that seek to grasp the expressions of the text, and what was meant to be said, rather than just the exact words (NIV, CSB), and then paraphrases that are more of a restatement of the text to bring it up to modern vernacular and expression (NLT, TLB, MSG). No one translation is perfect, and the best translation is the one that you will actually read. The exception to this statement is “The Passion Translation” which is problematic on many levels, and I warn anyone from using it as the sourcing of the translation is frankly heretical and dangerous.

So what is the Berean Standard Bible (BSB), and why another Bible translation?

One of the facts that many people don’t know is the amount of copyright that surrounds most Bible translations. Most major Christian publishing houses are owned by larger, usually non-christian investment business’ and often hold the copyright to certain Bible translations. These copyrights limit the usage and means of Bible translations in published works, that may in some cases require royalty payments to the holder of said copyright. For more of a deep-dive on this read this article from SellingJesus.org.

This is where the Berean Bible translation enters the picture. From the outset the goal was to make a readable translation that is a cross between the KJV (a literal translation), and the NIV (a more thought-for-thought translation), which still remaining faithful to the original languages, and readable to a modern audience. All of this while remaining completely open-source in it’s ownership, allowing for anyone to use it for free without any cost of licensing. 

Over the last year I have starting utilizing the BSB more regularly as apart of the translations I use. And as of November 2024, it is my primary Bible translation. I still use the NIV, NLT, NET & the NRSV for deep study. But for my daily reading & preaching, I will be utilizing the BSB. 

On my weekly podcast The Pastor’s Call Podcast I had the pleasure of interviewing Gary Hill who was one of the primary scholars who worked on the BSB. You can listen to his interview HERE and find our more about the origins, purpose and intent of the translation. As part of interviewing him I was blessed to receive physical review copy of  the BSB. It is a beautiful real-leather bible, that is of excellent quality. They use a thicker paper (39 gsm), which makes the experience of using it very tactile and satisfying. The layout is different than what I have seen in other Bibles, and I have appreciated how readable it is. For an intro and more info on bible build terminology, check out this fantastic video HERE. I feel that I will be able to use this Bible for my lifetime and hand it down to my kids. Very high quality.

But it doesn’t stop at the physical Bibles you can purchase. One their website you can download the entire Bible in Word, PDF, Kindle, excel, audio and other digital formats for anything you might use a Bible for! This is a huge help to integrating this Bible translation into the various Church tech that I use. This is unparalleled for a Bible translation to offer this completely for FREE!

All of this being said, I recommend at least checking out the BSB. What they are offering is a quality Bible translation that is easily accessible to everyone, with no cast barriers, especially in the digital realm.

You can find out more about the BSB, and shop for physical Bibles from them at bereanbibles.com